From: Paul Mison Date: 11:11 on 03 Sep 2003 Subject: Bluetooth File Exchange So the Mac has wonderful Bluetooth support, apparently. (As long as you partake of the Jaguar koolaid, of course. Buying expensive new hardware helps too.) Yes, iSync does seem to work for me, so that's good. Now, though, I have a camera phone. I've taken some photos. I borrow a dongle and start up Bluetooth File Exchange. Coo, it works! I can see a list of files, so I shift-click to multiple select the photos I want to download. It's not working, though. There's only one file selected at a time. Hmm. I choose one photo, then, and double-click, and it's saved. Good, good. Maybe I can drag out instead? That'll save some time going through file dialogs. Oh, no, you don't support that, do you? What happens when I click one of the column-sorting title bars then? The whole column turns the selection colour. Surely that's not right, is it? Of course all the files aren't really selected. The Get... button is dimmed. So it's back to double-clicking the thirty or so photos I have. Sigh. It almost goes without saying that there's no useful information (file creation date, for example) available, nor a choice of views (it's list view, or, er, nothing). Wouldn't it have been much nicer if BFE simply mounted the phone as a drive on the desktop, so I could use the Finder instead of some half-arsed reimplementation of it? Yes, it would. Bah.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 13:04 on 03 Sep 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange > Wouldn't it have been much nicer if BFE simply mounted the phone as a > drive on the desktop, so I could use the Finder instead of some > half-arsed reimplementation of it? Yes, it would. Good god, and on the other tentacle Apple implements FTP downloads in Safari by using the Finder... where that's almost never what you want to do, and opens up a variety of interesting security issues. And while I'm thinking about it, I hate the way Apple does remote file system mounts. OH LOOK, I MOUNTED HOME ON SYSTEM1 TO GET TO MY HOME DIRECTORY, BUT NOW WHAT IF I WANT TO MOUNT HOME ON SYSTEM2? WHAT HAPPENS? DO I GET TWO HOME ICONS ON THE DESKTOP? DOES IT COMPLAIN? I DON'T KNOW, I'M SCARED TO TRY. They could have done what Microsoft did and called it "sharename on systemname" or what UNIX does and called it "systemname/sharename", but no, that wouldn't SUCK enough. And now apparently they're copying Microsoft's "let's play games with people's heads by making every API have a different idea of where the root of the filesystem is" in Panther. AUGH.
From: Chris Nandor Date: 15:04 on 03 Sep 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange At 07:04 -0500 2003.09.03, Peter da Silva wrote: >And now apparently they're copying Microsoft's "let's play games >with people's heads by making every API have a different idea of >where the root of the filesystem is" in Panther. Huh?
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 15:25 on 03 Sep 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange > >And now apparently they're copying Microsoft's "let's play games > >with people's heads by making every API have a different idea of > >where the root of the filesystem is" in Panther. > Huh? Apparently Finder is going to show $HOME as the root in Panther.
From: Chris Nandor Date: 15:50 on 03 Sep 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange At 09:25 -0500 2003.09.03, Peter da Silva wrote: >> >And now apparently they're copying Microsoft's "let's play games >> >with people's heads by making every API have a different idea of >> >where the root of the filesystem is" in Panther. > >> Huh? > >Apparently Finder is going to show $HOME as the root in Panther. Even if that were true, that's got nothing to do with the API, that's just the user's UI. But it's not true. Nothing significant, technically speaking, has changed. By default, you won't see any volumes on the Desktop, and new Finder windows will open to $HOME. But you can change that behavior in the Finder preferences, and in any event, the volumes are still always available.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 16:04 on 03 Sep 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange > But it's not true. Nothing significant, technically speaking, has changed. > By default, you won't see any volumes on the Desktop, and new Finder > windows will open to $HOME. But you can change that behavior in the Finder > preferences, and in any event, the volumes are still always available. Ah, what I read lead me to believe that it was actually going to be a change in the "Mac-side" API. I'm glad to hear that part of the new Finder's suck is only rumor.
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?= Date: 16:13 on 03 Sep 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange On Wednesday, Sep 3, 2003, at 07:25 America/Los_Angeles, Peter da Silva wrote: > Apparently Finder is going to show $HOME as the root in Panther. In Finder Preferences there's a "New Finder Window shows: (o) Home ( ) Computer" option. (Yes, in Jaguar too - in Panther you can choose any folder IIRC). ObSubject: At least whoever was hating could browse his phone. My phone doesn't allow that, so when I got it replaced (display broke) I had to individually click "send item" on everything. And of course I had to disable and enable bluetooth on the 'book every so often or the phone couldn't find it when it was sending. Oh boy, was that fun. - ask
From: Paul Mison Date: 10:22 on 09 Oct 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange On 03/09/2003 at 11:11 +0100, Paul Mison wrote: >Now, though, I have a camera phone. I've taken some photos. I borrow >a dongle and start up Bluetooth File Exchange. Coo, it works! I can >see a list of files, so I shift-click to multiple select the photos >I want to download. It's not working, though. There's only one file >selected at a time. Hmm. A little bird tells me that this is fixed in the version of Bluetooth File Exchange that comes with Mac OS X 10.3. You can even delete files using BFE, although not, it seems, a selection of many files. Oh well. Nice to know there's something left to do for 10.4, I suppose.
From: Nicholas Clark Date: 10:57 on 09 Oct 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 10:22:48AM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: > A little bird tells me that this is fixed in the version of Bluetooth > File Exchange that comes with Mac OS X 10.3. You can even delete > files using BFE, although not, it seems, a selection of many files. > Oh well. Nice to know there's something left to do for 10.4, I > suppose. How else would they be able to convince you to part with more money? I hates software whenever it doesn't do what it should do, and its vendor expects me to pay them to fix their own mistakes and shortcomings. Nicholas Clark
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 14:09 on 09 Oct 2003 Subject: Re: Bluetooth File Exchange > I hates software whenever it doesn't do what it should do, and its > vendor expects me to pay them to fix their own mistakes and shortcomings. Welcome to ... I won't name any specific vendor, it's practically the standard business model for consumer software. Business software too, now that I think of it.
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